Subject	Protest is just as important as censorship.
Posted by	Bezza on March 04, 2008 at 7:19 PM
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In Reply To	It's still a minority when compared to the # of active posted by spicyZ on March 04, 2008 at 07:14 PM
Message	Sure it is censorship however practically what information are the VTDers preventing you from seeing? If anything it draws your attention to Z1 and it is not really difficult to visit there website or click their banner ad if you must find out what they are selling.
Follow Ups	I wonder how a sponsor would feel knowing that his ads - ZEngineer 12:26:08 03/04/08 Checks and balances, Georgie. (n/m) - BradZ (FL) 12:28:36 03/04/08 I was wondering the same thing. (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 12:31:07 03/04/08 I wonder how a forum owner would feel if one of the major - Guapo 12:32:20 03/04/08 indeed (n/m) - aliaZ 12:44:37 03/04/08 no offense, but he'd probably do something about it. (n/m) - inf 13:00:58 03/04/08 like what? (n/m) - aliaZ 19:17:17 03/04/08 remove them from being a sponser. (n/m) - inf 01:33:13 03/05/08 that wouldn't accomplish much (n/m) - aliaZ 09:08:03 03/05/08 So does Mike Smith own the forum or do Gregg and Damon? - SlicktopTT 13:04:36 03/04/08 some speculation ... - Guapo 13:23:16 03/04/08 Nobody mentioned Mike Smith - aliaZ 13:28:23 03/04/08 NOT a good comparison >>> - ztunerz 21:36:07 03/04/08 eh...you're right - aliaZ 21:58:48 03/04/08 >> - ztunerz 22:15:11 03/04/08 I dunno - aliaZ 22:21:56 03/04/08 also... - aliaZ 22:24:50 03/04/08 >>> - ztunerz 08:33:22 03/05/08 impressive (n/m) - aliaZ 09:09:36 03/05/08 They have hinted at copying the 300Degree Fuel Rails - SeedyROM 13:28:49 03/04/08 Seems they have a sense of humour.. - spicyZ 13:38:00 03/04/08 So do the best con artists and charlitains - SeedyROM 13:53:51 03/04/08 Nevertheles, it's an interesting social experiment - spicyZ 13:57:55 03/04/08 Absolutely. One would assume 300d has been paid for the - Guapo 14:03:26 03/04/08 Keyword = "assume" (n/m) - spicyZ 14:04:52 03/04/08 That is a risk each will have to take on for themselves. (n/m) - Guapo 14:07:12 03/04/08 The tribe has spoken. (n/m) - spicyZ 15:04:50 03/04/08 Sure - SeedyROM 14:11:41 03/04/08 Lemmings. Whatever bandwagon the majority happen to be on - ENVYMYZ 15:31:57 03/04/08 In defense of Lemmings... - Jackie 02:48:08 03/05/08 I've seen those hints too. Let them try to copy it... - SlicktopTT 13:52:39 03/04/08 Did you even ask why Damon stopped supply briefly? - SeedyROM 13:59:05 03/04/08 yep (n/m) - aliaZ 14:00:09 03/04/08 Listen. You and I have both been around here a long time - SlicktopTT 14:35:50 03/04/08 They have been getting deleted for a while now. - en5 12:32:55 03/04/08 I was curious about that also. (n/m) - MistressZ 12:33:09 03/04/08 They've said numerous times that all the VTDs and - dogpile 12:35:26 03/04/08 This is a great deal of free publicity. (n/m) - Sleeper_TTZ(SeKy) 18:28:08 03/04/08 Exactly. So they lose one or two potential customers from - dogpile 19:58:34 03/04/08 Was the ad for the AMS rip-off manifolds? - BigTDogg (MA) 12:42:32 03/04/08 I would feel proud to spread the lyrical genius that is - ZEngineer 12:50:32 03/04/08 Nice! (n/m) - nemo1080 14:44:22 03/04/08 No. (n/m) - spicyZ 13:10:06 03/04/08 Now I'm curious... What was the ad for then? - MixManMash 15:59:03 03/04/08 Clutch kits (n/m) - spicyZ 16:03:22 03/04/08 RPS or DxD knock offs? (n/m) - MixManMash 16:05:06 03/04/08 sponsorship pays for the banners you see at the top of the - aliaZ 12:43:17 03/04/08 this is the correct answer. - ZEngineer 12:46:29 03/04/08 To allow deletion is a conflict of interests. - AZHeat 13:16:18 03/04/08 Z1 can pull their sponsorship if they so desire. - aliaZ 13:57:05 03/04/08 Bingo (n/m) - SeedyROM 13:57:44 03/04/08 yep - Bezza 16:24:38 03/04/08 604Z has not been the same since it was sponsored. - mscurfield 17:14:20 03/04/08 that's what I hear (n/m) - aliaZ 17:21:05 03/04/08 604z is ghey (n/m) - Wilks. 17:52:00 03/04/08 tsk tsk mike- are you bitter? - inyrdrmz 23:58:30 03/04/08 no 604z wasnt created as an advertising venue - inyrdrmz 23:51:11 03/04/08 not initially, no - aliaZ 10:41:54 03/05/08 you're wrong. i think i would know... - inyrdrmz 19:25:27 03/05/08 How is it conflict of interest? - Bezza 16:48:21 03/04/08 Conflict of interests because they allow it to - AZHeat 17:47:58 03/04/08 That would be conflict of interest - Bezza 18:19:09 03/04/08 Special treatment because money changed hands? - AZHeat 18:48:48 03/04/08 yep - Bezza 19:15:04 03/04/08 that would be unethical to give sponsors - aliaZ 18:24:24 03/04/08 That makes no sense at all. A business or club always - AZHeat 18:43:32 03/04/08 This is a hobby site supported by sponsors, not a business - SeedyROM 18:57:11 03/04/08 3zc is more civilized than this... - treese88 19:19:20 03/04/08 its hard to say with how much gets deleted over there (n/m) - aliaZ 19:32:43 03/04/08 say something bad about Z1 and POOF its gone. (n/m) - nissanguyz32 19:52:23 03/04/08 I think it's a huge leap to say twinturbo.net is a business. (n/m) - Dustin 19:12:12 03/04/08 doesn't matter. It takes money to keep it up. (n/m) - AZHeat 21:15:33 03/04/08 ? My car takes money to keep it up. - TT XTZ 12:03:14 03/05/08 exactly (n/m) - na300zx (OH) 13:35:07 03/04/08 This has been covered over and over its not the MODs - 5280Z_nightstalker 12:51:23 03/04/08 wow, thanks for clearing that up for me...*sigh* - ZEngineer 12:55:32 03/04/08 I am sure probably 50% of people here would never buy AMS - 5280Z_nightstalker 13:02:46 03/04/08 I wouldn't be so sure. - robo (sebring1970) 13:20:08 03/04/08 Seems pretty much bang on to me Robo. (n/m) - spicyZ 13:22:54 03/04/08 Sad but very true - SeedyROM 14:16:10 03/04/08 Who? (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 14:43:33 03/04/08 Re: Who? - SeedyROM 15:09:27 03/04/08 I would tell those guys to bring their product to market - SlicktopTT 14:49:50 03/04/08 Remember when you posted that last year? Didn't learn did ya - SeedyROM 15:05:43 03/04/08 I work at a law firm that gets patents, trade marks etc.. - SlicktopTT 15:39:04 03/04/08 No, your head is up your ass. - Spongerider :) 16:11:04 03/04/08 Occupation: CPA - SeedyROM 19:07:52 03/04/08 Yep, getting a patent is money and time consuming. - ZCulture 19:44:07 03/04/08 Where else would you want to prevent the sale? I would - SlicktopTT 19:53:18 03/04/08 Proviso you can defend it. - ZCulture 20:01:05 03/04/08 Yes. I am their VP of Finance for the firm and 13 other - SlicktopTT 19:50:38 03/04/08 Patent is really not an option. - Bezza 20:08:45 03/04/08 Pseudo-Ethical. That is the perfect way to say it. - Sleeper_TTZ(SeKy) 18:16:51 03/04/08 Rofl.. come on n00b... (n/m) - spicyZ 13:11:08 03/04/08 when did the general forum turn into a girls gossip corner? - volcomstone550 15:16:58 03/04/08 Haha x2 (n/m) - nissanguyz32 17:03:40 03/04/08 nothing gets by you. (n/m) - Spee 23:17:50 03/04/08 Just like the free market economy allows AMS to pursue - robo (sebring1970) 13:11:15 03/04/08 Who said anything about AMS? The ads are for clutches.. - spicyZ 13:12:41 03/04/08 Your going to call me a noob but you cant even figure it out - 5280Z_nightstalker 13:16:35 03/04/08 lol! You should try sitting on your hands for a bit. Really. (n/m) - spicyZ 13:19:03 03/04/08 I dont know what your deal is i am not here to fight or say - 5280Z_nightstalker 13:27:05 03/04/08 All the pissed off members here about AMS but not - AZHeat 13:21:17 03/04/08 If Mike spent as much time as we do on this forum - aliaZ 13:32:27 03/04/08 Mike Smith is an intelligent person - TT XTZ 13:59:59 03/04/08 His work speaks for itself. - AbsolutZ (OH) 14:04:34 03/04/08 As I said before, if that is the case, then it's bull ____ - BigTDogg (MA) 14:11:41 03/04/08 You don't really think that's the only reason do you? - SeedyROM 14:26:30 03/04/08 Which was referenced here... - BigTDogg (MA) 14:39:39 03/04/08 So you're saying that's not reason enough. (n/m) - SeedyROM 14:57:12 03/04/08 To VTD classified posts of a forum sponsor... no - BigTDogg (MA) 15:41:00 03/04/08 What if they weren't a sponsor? - SeedyROM 18:55:06 03/04/08 Now were talking downward spiral... - BigTDogg (MA) 20:12:16 03/04/08 the fact that they are a sponsor is irrelevant. (n/m) - Spee 23:36:37 03/04/08 See above (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 09:01:48 03/05/08 you're an idiot (n/m) - Spee 23:29:41 03/04/08 Which begs two good questions.... - LJZTT 16:49:31 03/04/08 As many votes as Greg and Damon think is sufficient. (n/m) - Guapo 16:53:31 03/04/08 16 votes to delete a post & obviously that isn't an accurate - Russell@Z1 22:52:41 03/04/08 sadly, the past actions with AMS and your relationship - Halo Z 10:48:34 03/05/08 Why don't you explain this "reality" of yours then? - SeedyROM 11:22:23 03/05/08 Its because Z1 is not part of "The cool guy club" - Madhatter10-6 13:43:54 03/04/08 What don't you understand? - SeedyROM 13:52:29 03/04/08 Re: What don't you understand? - Madhatter10-6 14:03:59 03/04/08 It's unfortunate that I have to say it - SeedyROM 14:08:19 03/04/08 i get it now! - Madhatter10-6 14:18:45 03/04/08 lol, don't worry, your eyes will adjust soon enough :) (n/m) - na300zx (OH) 14:53:55 03/04/08 LoL! - Spongerider :) 16:32:35 03/04/08 nice collection of bookmarks (n/m) - ghostinator (fl) 16:17:57 03/04/08 Bookmarked (n/m) - Audicon 16:40:58 03/04/08 I totally agree about it being a free market and I think - na300zx (OH) 13:52:52 03/04/08 **SOME** members are VTD ing posts - LJZTT 21:48:36 03/04/08 Newsflash: Read 1/3 of these posts and gain some insight - BigTDogg (MA) 13:55:29 03/04/08 Re: Its because Z1 is not part of "The cool guy club" - Spongerider :) 16:19:51 03/04/08 Sponsors never controled our Classifieds. You new here? - SeedyROM 13:49:50 03/04/08 ^^ Read that Madhatter - na300zx (OH) 13:57:13 03/04/08 Just to clarify, I am referring to the beginning about - na300zx (OH) 22:27:55 03/04/08 WOW, They are now Posting MS manifolds and 300 degree fuel - kwun 14:15:33 03/04/08 It's called a "fishing expedition" (n/m) - SeedyROM 14:18:32 03/04/08 I don't understand what the deal is. - TriniTT 14:49:16 03/04/08 Now they are even violating the two posts per day rule :) (n/m) - na300zx (OH) 14:51:28 03/04/08 Good, every time I do a search in classifieds I always - Ashman2k2 14:57:19 03/04/08 and they told me my vote wouldnt count! lol (n/m) - MOZZ 14:59:28 03/04/08 they have no feelings (n/m) - moxie (SF) 15:05:11 03/04/08 I like having the right to vote. - datzun 15:22:24 03/04/08 VTF under FAQ "how increase your hit count" ^^^ - Cap927(Boston) 15:47:07 03/04/08 you do realize ... um ... nah, of course you do. (n/m) - Guapo 15:56:55 03/04/08 yes I do, and I hope this whole post gets deleted - Cap927(Boston) 16:12:39 03/04/08 I'm not convinced. (n/m) - TriniTT 17:43:35 03/04/08 sometimes when I'm alone at night - ZEngineer 16:36:55 03/04/08 you are one sick puppy, but I love ya!! ;) (n/m) - Cap927(Boston) 17:00:37 03/04/08 This has no effect on George's hitcount (n/m) - aliaZ 17:09:34 03/04/08 It is wrong to hinder free trade and flow of information. - Gordo 93TT Daytona 16:40:26 03/04/08 Where do you draw the line Gordo? (n/m) - Guapo 16:50:24 03/04/08 I don't know where the line is drawn. But, I am confident - Gordo 93TT Daytona 17:25:03 03/04/08 Some think the right thing is already being done. (n/m) - Guapo 18:01:21 03/04/08 Steve, you may be right. But I wish there was a way for - Gordo 93TT Daytona 20:39:26 03/04/08 indeed, but sometimes fighting the good fight isn't pretty (n/m) - Guapo 20:46:13 03/04/08 Touche... (n/m) - Gordo 93TT Daytona 20:53:02 03/04/08 2nd (n/m) - LJZTT 16:53:50 03/04/08 Well said and so true.....this had just gotten too out - Gold Z 16:54:19 03/04/08 Very well stated, couldn't have done it better. Thanks. (n/m) - Yoshi 17:37:27 03/04/08 Are you a lemming, or someone who is willing to stand up for - boileralum 17:46:43 03/04/08 Are Damon and Greg weak for accepting Z1's - Barry (NJ) 18:09:17 03/04/08 Weak? No. However their sponsorship buys ad space at the top - Guapo 18:17:32 03/04/08 I don't thik they are weak either, and I don't think Z1 - Barry (NJ) 18:44:02 03/04/08 Another question... - Barry (NJ) 19:07:25 03/04/08 A lot of the threads discussing it were deleted - SeedyROM 19:14:07 03/04/08 NIMBYism at its finest - aliaZ 18:12:04 03/04/08 maybe that's the problem - LJZTT 22:04:17 03/04/08 what we're witnessing here is the Walmartization - aliaZ 22:17:34 03/04/08 Look I agree, but if the market will bear a demand for those - LJZTT 22:28:20 03/04/08 unfortunately, "thanks" won't pay the bills - aliaZ 22:41:50 03/04/08 How many does it take? - Bezza 18:25:25 03/04/08 More than "a few" as Gordo said, that's for sure (n/m) - SeedyROM 18:59:35 03/04/08 It's still a minority when compared to the # of active - spicyZ 19:14:04 03/04/08 Sure, but we don't own the site do we? - SeedyROM 19:16:28 03/04/08 There's really no easy answer - spicyZ 19:25:49 03/04/08 VTD is not that much of a big deal even if it is wrong. - Bezza 19:46:56 03/04/08 Protest is just as important as censorship. - Bezza 19:19:13 03/04/08 There's no shortage of other forms of protest around here (n/m) - spicyZ 19:27:24 03/04/08 I believe it's 3. (n/m) - BlackholeZ 19:00:31 03/04/08 Those 3 "X" marks do not in any way indicate the number (n/m) - SeedyROM 19:02:50 03/04/08 Well good, I always thought 3 votes was awfully small. - BlackholeZ 19:17:51 03/04/08 Nah, it's easy to make that assumption. I did the same - SeedyROM 19:27:13 03/04/08 This is a private website, not the United States of Z1 - SeedyROM 19:24:59 03/04/08 Who's "standing by and accepting it"? - spicyZ 19:31:14 03/04/08 exactly^ (n/m) - LJZTT 22:10:17 03/04/08 I think you're on the wrong conversation dude. - SeedyROM 23:52:52 03/04/08 Please point out where I was "bitching and complaining" - spicyZ 07:59:02 03/05/08 You have been lumped into that group, for whatever reasons - SeedyROM 19:17:46 03/05/08 I don't get this :/ - ZDUCTIV 16:50:17 03/04/08 Re: I don't get this :/ - SeedyROM 19:04:04 03/04/08 This thread is large. That is all. (n/m) - en5 17:14:39 03/04/08 Yeah, not sure why Z1 continues to support this site w/ that - Yoshi 17:34:55 03/04/08 Go to 300ZXClub.com where the users have ZERO say - SeedyROM 18:50:20 03/04/08 borg collective - aliaZ 18:56:01 03/04/08 so if it just comes down to numbers.. - Halo Z 18:19:50 03/04/08 2nd (n/m) - Zski 19:34:36 03/04/08 Everything seems to be working just right - Jonez 18:30:27 03/04/08 Can't we all just get along! C'mon peeps! (n/m) - Turbonium 300Zx 18:48:27 03/04/08 am I missing something? I don't see where Z1 is selling the - S.Watson 18:57:58 03/04/08 That's a small part of it we're guessing but - SeedyROM 19:01:42 03/04/08 here is a little insight - aliaZ 19:10:22 03/04/08 I tend to agree with Robo in the fact that there is a large - S.Watson 19:31:31 03/04/08 Is the limit 2 listings per day in the classifieds? Maybe - Neogenesis 20:35:14 03/04/08 he should feel like an ass for bringing it on himself. - Spee 23:05:12 03/04/08
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